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Before the Bark's avatar

I wasn't trying to argue something specific, more just trying to clarify. Yes, I consider crates, leashes, gates, etc. to be management tools because they're primarily used to prevent unwanted behaviors.

So, in the recall example, I can certainly get the dog to return to me using a leash by applying pressure (ideally as little as can be effective, and not jerking but consistent). And there's nothing wrong with that. But when I apply pressure, they come, and then I reinforce, usually in the dog's mind what's being reinforced is responding to the leash pressure. An off leash recall requires proper motivation.

The vast majority of the training process involves understanding what your dog finds reinforcing. Sometimes it's food. Sometimes it's play. Other times they just want to be close to their person. Anything can be reinforcing, we just have to dig a little to discover it. For instance, sniffing (since we were talking about sniffaris earlier) can be used to reinforce wanted behavior. I put my dog on a leash, he sees a bush he really wants to sniff, so I call him to me (a bush outside is probably something we'd build up to but it's the same premise), when he completes the recall on his own volition, i mark it and then we move together to allow him to sniff the bush. The thing he wants in the moment becomes the reinforcer for what I'd like him to do first (it's called the Premack principle).

Having a leash on absolutely sets them up for success and prevents potentially dangerous or tragic choices, but it's finding the appropriate motivator in that moment that helps the dog see that his choices matter and by engaging with me politely we can all get what we want.

Susan Kilber's avatar

I find our guy Jack responds immediately, always, when the prong collar is on. In fact, just putting it on him, he acts differently, more aware of us, and less “ doing his own thing”. We don’t keep it on— we use it mainly on walks. But when he uses just a regular collar and the leash I find he does not respond nearly as quickly or effectively to commands and gestures.

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